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“We are exploring how technology can be used to enhance comfortability and foster connections with students,” says Dr. Uma Kannan, Founder Principal, Sri Venkateswara Group of Schools in an interview with Pratik Ghosh, Content Writer, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu How are you feeling to witness the New Normal Education Leadership Summit and Awards in Chennai? Yes, it’s going good. I thank the Education Minister of Tamil Nadu, Mr. Thiru Anbil Mahesh Poyyamozhi for inaugurating this session of the New Normal Education Summit, which is now carrying on with the help of ArdorComm Media in association with LinkedIn, and other platforms. It’s a wonderful experience, and things are going well after the past challenging times. Now, people are adapting and embracing the new normal in education. We are exploring how technology can be used to enhance comfortability and foster connections with students. We aim to incorporate multi-disciplinary subjects, overcome challenges, and encourage creativity in education. In this forum, education leaders, academicians, EdTech leaders, and government officials come together. How does this benefit the education sector at large? Today, school principals, heads, academicians, and policy makers are participating in this program. Through social media and collaboration, they can disseminate and implement the ideas discussed here within their institutions. It’s important to spread these educational uplifts to the children. Students can utilize these resources to design their lives. This forum brings together various stakeholders, fostering collaboration and creating a platform for sharing knowledge and best practices in education. ArdorComm Media Group started in 2021, and now we are here in Chennai. What message do you want to give to ArdorComm Media Group? Within a very short span of time the ArdorComm Media has developed and because of your teamwork and Mr. Chandan Anand is taking a lead role and the team is playing a very effective participation and the coordination. On behalf of Sri Venkateswara Group of Schools, I wish every member of ArdorComm Media Group to get success and involve in the leadership programs and many more summits to be conducted in many states to impart this education to the world.Top of Form  

“Instead of STEM education, we can adopt STEAM education, incorporating science, technology, engineering, arts, and humanities,” says Er. Dr. A. S. Prabu, EMD, SPK groups of companies, Chairman, SPK Gems Schools in an interview with Pratik Ghosh, Content Writer, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu What’s your understanding about the NEP 2020, how will it impact the education sector? Actually, NEP had a very big impact. If the pandemic had not occurred, certain practices would have already been implemented. However, it also forced the government to assess what needed to be done. If educational reforms had been introduced five years earlier, they would have been in place during the pandemic. Adapting to change became crucial during this time. Looking ahead, practical and skill-based learning should be emphasized. Instead of STEM education, we can adopt STEAM education, incorporating science, technology, engineering, arts, and humanities. An education focused on arts and practical application is more appealing, aligning with the goals of the National Education Policy (NEP). How do you define New Normal? New Normal is after pandemic. The concept of the new generation is constantly evolving, with generation gaps changing every three years. Therefore, the education policy needs to be updated accordingly, which unfortunately hasn’t been the case over the past 70 years. We have tried to incorporate British methods of teaching into our system, but the future lies in the adaptation of artificial intelligence, learning outcomes, practical experience, handling pressure, and enhancing critical thinking skills. The New Normal signifies a new era, similar to moving from the Ice Age to a new age. How does this kind of forum benefit the education sector at large? The government should assist educational institutions in implementing policies. Collaboration between the government, private sectors, and market leaders is essential for the advancement of the education sector. It’s crucial to bridge the gap between government schools and private schools. Merely increasing the number of private schools won’t change the overall educational environment and mentality. Government schools play a vital role, and the government must address their needs. This initiative in Tamil Nadu is commendable, and we hope for more detailed plans in the future. Any message for ArdorComm Media Group? Welcome to Tamil Nadu, big journey to go ahead, each and every region has a different impact it is not one place and towards every region so Chennai is on the northern part in the middle part you have Coimbatore, I think education is completely different in Tamil Nadu in different places. We stand second in terms of industrial placement in India but if the education policy is much better I think we can have a better impact.

“LMS focuses on the academic part of education delivery using digital technology to create a fantastic user experience for teachers and students,” says Dr. Prem Das Maheshwari, Business Director South Asia, D2L in an interview with Pratik Ghosh, Content Writer, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu How are you feeling to witness The New Normal Education Leadership Summit and Awards in Chennai? Fantastic, I think it’s a very nice gathering of dignitaries from higher education institutions from South India. South India happens to be the hub of education, especially higher education. So having these stalwarts and the leaders from the higher education industry at one place is a fantastic opportunity for us. I’m delighted to be here. Can you tell us about the services you are providing? I am the regional director for a company called D2L, formerly known as Desire2Learn, for South Asia. This company is into Learning Management Systems (LMS). We are the world’s number two learning management system company, providing the Brightspace Learning Management platform to a large number of higher education institutions, K-12 schools, and corporates worldwide. We have over 1500+ customers and 20 million users using this platform. We have a strong foothold in India as the only LMS that is 100% UGC compliant with all parameters. We have more than 54 clients in India and have been locally hosted on AWS Mumbai servers for the past three years. With the new normal and the changing UGC policies, it will be mandatory for most higher education institutions to run 40% of their education delivery completely online. We are there to serve them with our compliant Learning Management platform. What is your take on bridging the urban-rural digital divide when it comes to technology transfer? I think the urban-rural digital divide has already thinned to a great extent. Even in rural areas and small towns, everyone is using smartphones and has access to technology and the internet. Internet coverage is fantastic, and people are exploring various social media sites. This means that the divide is gradually thinning down, which is good for India. When it comes to online education or digital education, this thinning gap is going to be of great help. Accessibility to higher education through digital technology, such as smartphones, is fantastic and available to anyone anywhere in the country. Learning management platforms play a crucial role in making education accessible to everyone. In events like this where the government, education fraternity, and corporates come together, how does this gathering help the education sector at large? There is a great amount of uncertainty and lack of information and clarity about what an LMS is. People have heard about LMS, but if you ask many people, they think using Zoom or Teams is an LMS, which is not the case. Zoom and Teams were used during the pandemic, but they are not true Learning Management Systems. LMS focuses on the academic part of education delivery using digital technology to create a fantastic user experience for teachers and students. Our job, especially in forums like this, is to educate and clarify the difference between using simple technology versus using Learning Management platforms. There is also a misconception that ERP solutions are LMS, but ERP solutions are administrative tools, while LMS focuses on academic delivery, student-faculty interaction, competency-based digital education, and the use of artificial intelligence to monitor learner progress. LMS provides a vast array of reports to monitor education delivery. The gathering helps to address these misconceptions and provide education on the true nature and benefits of Learning Management Systems. What message do you want to give to the ArdorComm Media Group? I think you are doing a fantastic job. You should continue to organize such events regionally. National events are good, but they can be crowded. Focusing on a particular region allows you to address the concerns, issues, and contemporary topics among education leaders of that region. Each region has its specific issues and concerns, so organizing small regional events is much better before going national. Overall, keep up the fantastic work.

“I’m so happy to see people come up and say that this is the kind of change we are making at a grassroots level, at a rural level, where there’s no access to education,” says Dr. Manjula Pooja Shroff, MD and CEO of Kalorex Group in an interview with Chandan Anand, CEO & Group Editor, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu How was an outcome of this event and what were the takeaways? Chandan ji it’s always very good to come here to your events. I believe that the morning event was very good, and we’re so glad that the minister was here because it shows a certain seriousness from both sides, from the participants as well as the people on the dais. There were government officials in very good positions. I love the fact that you selected the NIOS because that’s a place that people need to understand and therefore apply. It is in this way that you’re making a differentiator. I would like to understand more about Shroffism from you. In a single term I call it the impious of education. The mental, physical and spiritual dimensions if we don’t help students grow in a unified and holistic 360-degree balanced manner. They can actually get swayed with whatever happens in life, but that’s not the idea. The idea is to be so strong in your core that life will happen, but you’ll always be the winner and never the victim. And what about the DHI episodes which are going on? Can you please throw some light on that? Spiritualism is so big that people think it’s hard to understand. So, I’ve tried to do this daily thought, a one-minute daily thought towards conscious living. And the word ‘DHI’ is a Sanskrit word for reflection, introspection, a deeper level of intellect. So, I’ve tried to use it to bring it in a package which is easy to do. ‘DHI’ is your one-minute daily thought for conscious living. Handling the academy, looking after the thing which you are passionate about, how do you organize yourself and your life in that way? When you are clear about what you want to do, you put energy and intention together. So I believe that there are teachers. By now, we have a very, very strong team. Some of the team members are teachers who are already doing what they believe is the 2D educational deliveries. My addition is the third angle, whether it is the teacher, the child, or anybody that I can influence, which is the 3D angle, which I believe is the MPS, which is mental, physical, spiritual. So out of the series of book launches you have done, any special recognition or any special occasion which is in your memory, which is that city, and why is that memory with you? Jaipur is in my mind. I don’t know why. It’s something that I did with you, but Jaipur got a lot of acclaim. And every time I look at the pictures, I love the way we came across in Jaipur. I really do like this. I genuinely believe that Chennai and the South have preserved the Indian education system a lot more than many other states, where it’s far more diluted. And it’s such a pleasure to come here. And I must say this, that you’re not even two years old, and you’re doing a terrific, terrific job. And before you ask me if I have any words, if I want to say anything for the ArdorComm, let me just say this. I believe that any organization, the culture comes from the person who leads it. And I believe that you not only understand education well, you have a quality perspective on education. When you have a quality perspective, you’ll deliver quality, and that is your differentiator. What is the outcome of certain forums and how does it help the community at large when we see the corporate, academia, and government on a platform together? Unless the corporate, academia, and the government work together, we cannot make any change. Everybody has to work together holistically. It’s in platforms like this that not only do you network, but you also get to see what is happening in the industry and how that can be applied to the delivery of education. And how the people who make the policy decisions can shape those decisions to take the country’s progress educationally in that direction. So, these are very, very important platforms. Any takeaway from today’s event? I’ve been talking about opening your own mind and opening the minds of students in order that we can live in a VUCA world or prepare our students for the future. I am so happy to see how many people resonate with that. I’m so happy to see people come up and say that this is the kind of change we are making at a grassroots level, at a rural level, where there’s no access to education. That’s real India. We are slightly more urbanized, but India lives in rural and hilly regions. So, when people from there come up and share their success stories, it’s very gratifying.

“This kind of forum helps in bridging the gap between education and industry through digital technologies,” says Dr. Ramesh S, Principal, Jerusalem College of Engineering in an interview with Pratik Ghosh, Content Writer, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu How are you feeling to witness The New Normal Education Leadership Summit and Awards in Chennai? Yeah, actually, The New Normal Education Policy is required nowadays. Once the government announced a new normal education policy, it needs to be implemented in all institutions, right? So, we are seeing a lot of education continuing until the end. And some institutions are discounting their education for students from a disadvantaged background. This new normal is totally useful. I am feeling good about it. ArdorComm has conducted a good leadership education program here in Chennai, and that will be more useful to convert into educational institutions. That will be fruitful, in my opinion. It’s a great initiative. Could you highlight about your institution? Yeah, my institution is Jerusalem College of Engineering, located in the heart of the city near Velachery. Our institution is 28 years old and offers computer science specializations and business applications courses. We are an autonomous institution, so we have the autonomy to create the syllabus and conduct examinations. We have a wonderful faculty background, which is an advantage for us. It’s easily approachable in the city through corporation transport, so students can reach us without any assistance. That’s a specialty of our institution. In this kind of forum, we bring together education leaders, tech players, and the government. How does this kind of forum benefit the education sector at large? In this forum, we connect educationists and industrialists, as well as the digital education and industry players. Through digital platforms, we can effectively connect the education and industry sectors. In this forum, educationists can meet industry personnel and discuss what is required in the education sector. At the same time, industry professionals can share what is available in their industry. This kind of forum helps in bridging the gap between education and industry through digital technologies. Frequent meetings like this are required to align with the National Education Policy. ArdorComm Media Group is a media start-up. We started in 2021 and are close to completing two years. What’s your message to ArdorComm Media Group? My message to ArdorComm Media Group is that the collaboration between educationists and industries is crucial. By connecting these two entities, important people, they are playing their roles effectively. I believe that ArdorComm Media Group is continuously improving and bringing together industry professionals and education stakeholders, which will ultimately benefit both sectors.

“Skilling will be part of their education so it will be a pre-placement opportunity to be given to the students so that they should be industry ready while coming out, that’s the ultimate aim,” says Dr. M. Jayaprakasan (I.S.D.S), CEO, Naan Mudhalvan Skill Initiative, TNSDC, Govt. of India in an interview with Chandan Anand, CEO & Group Editor, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu We would like to understand an initiative under your leadership which has been taken by the Tamil Nadu Skill Development Corporation. Tamil Nadu Skill Development Corporation first started in the country in 2009. We have several initiatives aimed at skill development. The first one is a short-term training program with a job linkage. The second one is the recognition of prior learning, where we assess and certify individuals who already have the required skills. The third one is the promotion of traditional craft, clusters and traditional jobs with the support scheme called “SANKALP,” which stands for Skill and Knowledge Acquisition for Livelihood Promotion. Lastly, our mission project called “Naan Mudhalvan” focuses on Skilling for all, where students gain skills alongside their education to be industry-ready upon completion. So, Skilling will be part of their education so it will be a pre-placement opportunity to be given to the students so that they should be industry ready while coming out that’s the ultimate aim. Annually, our target is to skill 10 lakhs (1 million) people, and within a year, we have already crossed 13 lakhs (1.3 million). We are expanding to ITIs (Industrial Training Institutes) and polytechnics soon and plan to extend to schools as well. Do you also partner with EdTech companies or how does that collaboration happen which ultimately is for the benefit of academia? When it comes to involving Skilling, we need industrial expertise since our faculties are yet to be trained on the new technologies. Faculty development plays a key role, and we involve industries that require the specific skills. For example, Cisco offers CCNA training, and Autodesk offers manufacturing software. We engage these industry partners and training partners at the ground level to offer training to our faculty and students. We also collaborate with companies like Siemens, Microsoft, and others for English communication and assessment. We aim to interact with global partners to provide recognition and confidence to our students. These collaborations and training programs are provided at no cost, as the government invests in faculty training and provides funding to industries. Ultimately, we want to transform Tamil Nadu into the skill capital of India. We not only focus on skilling but also on the outcome, which is employment. Under the Naan Mudhalvan scheme, we enable placements for students who have undergone training. We have created a skill registry where industries can search for trained candidates. The registry allows industries to access profiles of candidates based on district, sector, college, and specific skills. This way, industries can easily recruit suitable candidates. We also facilitate industry-college interactions and assist industries in recruitment, bridging the gap between industry and academia. You witnessed this event, we have an amalgamation of corporate, EdTech companies, academia as well as the Government. How does such a forum help the community at large? Such a forum enables interaction, experience sharing, knowledge exchange, and networking among various sectors, including corporates, edtech companies, academia, and the government. It allows each participant to learn from one another and stay informed about developments in different sectors. Networking plays a significant role as it provides opportunities for collaboration and upskilling. These types of events are wonderful opportunities to explore, learn, and upskill ourselves. ArdorComm Media is just a 20-month-old media startup. How was your experience, and what message would you like to give to ArdorComm Media? Thank you so much for arranging this wonderful event, connecting educationalists, industries, and academicians in a single platform where everyone can share their experiences. We would like to work together with the Tamil Nadu Skill Development Corporation and explore future collaborations through these type of programs in future to create awareness among students, industries, institutions, and education.  

“If a student has skill development, they will have an advantage in the job market and can secure employment more easily,” says Dr. Hitesh Joshi, Director of Bhagwan Mahavir University in an interview with Pratik Ghosh, Content Writer, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu How are you feeling to witness this new normal Education Leadership Summit and Awards? It’s good and very fabulous first time I came in Chennai and I’ve seen your conference. It’s very good, I learned so many things from South India. Basically, I am from North India and we have so much backward in education and background in compared to South India. Today I learned so many things from South Indian people. Thank you, ArdorComm Media, for providing me this opportunity to come here. How are you implementing technology in your institution? Basically, we focus on employment skill development, so we implement ERP processes and SAP processes. We also offer various employment and technical courses such as passion care management, sanitary inspectors, and many more. These courses are embedded in our universities. As you can see in this kind of forums where we bring in the education leaders, the EdTech players, as well as the ministry, the government, how does this kind of forum benefit the education sector at large? I think this is so much beneficial. Usually, we do not know about the current scenario in education or what will be the future aspects in higher education. But in this conference, there are so many vice chancellors and founders who have a wealth of knowledge and skills. Many of them have frequently visited the USA and UK, learning from their experiences and implementing them here. It’s highly effective for us. How does skill development play a role in this current era of education? Skill development plays a crucial role in the current era of education. The government, under Modi, has emphasized the importance of skill development. If a student has skill development, they will have an advantage in the job market and can secure employment more easily. Lastly, any message you want to share for ArdorComm Media Group? ArdorComm Media Group is doing a fantastic job. It’s my pleasure to join this conference, and I hope to participate in many more conferences in the future.

“Digitalization is here to stay, but we are aiming for a hybrid model that combines online and offline teaching,” says Dr. L. Mahesh Kumar, Registrar of St. Peter’s Institute of Higher Education and Research in an interview with Pratik Ghosh, Content Writer, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu How are you feeling about witnessing The New Normal Education Leadership Summit and Awards in Chennai? I’ve been here since morning, and it’s been great. I’ve been experiencing both the panels here as well as the upstairs events, and they have all been very good. The event is well planned and neatly organized. What does innovation in education stand for according to you? In my opinion, innovation in education is a constant necessity. Throughout my 35 years of working in the field, I have witnessed continuous innovation, and especially after the COVID-19 pandemic, innovation has made a significant difference. Teaching itself has become completely innovative, and the way we think, conduct exams, and hold classes has changed. Innovation is here to stay and will continue to happen in the future. How are you implementing technology in your institutions? Thanks to COVID-19, Learning Management Systems (LMS) have become a vital function for all institutions, not just ours. Every student now understands the importance of LMS. However, there are some drawbacks. During online exams, we faced issues where some students were unable to upload their answer papers due to connectivity problems. These issues will gradually improve as we work on resolving them. Digitalization is here to stay, but we are aiming for a hybrid model that combines online and offline teaching. We use online classes for teaching, assignments, and tests, which has made certain aspects easier. As we can see, in forums like this, education leaders, corporates, and government representatives come together. How does this kind of forum benefit the education sector at large? Such forums are essential for anyone involved in the education sector. Interacting with industry professionals and government representatives allows us to understand their perspectives and the directions they are heading in. If we stay confined within our institutions, we may miss out on what is happening outside. These programs provide fruitful experiences where we can meet old friends and make new connections. Conferences like these are important for keeping up with the latest developments. Lastly, do you have any message you would like to give to the ArdorComm Media Group? I am very happy with the way you have conducted this event. Now, it is important to think about how you can utilize the network you have created for the benefit of the education community. Take note of the discussions, decisions, and ideas that have been shared here. Find ways for ArdorComm Media Group to address some of the issues and challenges discussed. This is the next level you should strive for.Top of Form

“This approach removes the fear of examinations from children’s minds, which is a boon for the learning system,” says Dr. D. Senthilkumar, Principal of T I Matriculation Higher Secondary School in an interview with Pratik Ghosh, Content Writer, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu How are you feeling to witness this new normal Education Leadership Summit and Awards in Chennai? This has been an excellent experience for me because this is not the first time I’m attending a program conducted by ArdorComm. A similar kind of program was conducted by them in Delhi, Gurugram, and this is my second time participating. I also participated in their online sessions. It’s quite exciting to be a part of this program because of the quality of the speakers and the harmonious group that brings a lot of valuable insights. Every time I attend this program, I try to implement something at school. It’s really exciting, informative, and productive too. What’s your understanding of the National Education Policy (NEP) and how are you implementing it in your school? The National Education Policy 2020 has been passed by Parliament and is anticipated to be implemented from the next academic year. The crux of the policy is reflective thinking and learning for children. It emphasizes self-evaluation by students, evaluation by peers, parents, and teachers. The aim is to provide a comprehensive evaluation report, a holistic progress card, without scores or grades. This approach removes the fear of examinations from children’s minds, which is a boon for the learning system. The outcome will be confident children who can enter the workforce without difficulty. Gradually, these children will contribute to the Indian community on a national and international level. How do forums like this, which bring together education leaders, EdTech players, and the government, help the education sector? Our institution has shifted from a state board curriculum to CBSE. We need to embrace technology in the curriculum to enhance the learning process. The traditional chalk and teach method where teachers dominated the classroom is outdated. It’s important for teachers, students, and everyone to sit together and discuss various topics. Technology helps children with visual, auditory, and kinesthetic learning. Multiple intelligences need to be addressed so that children can learn better. This empowers both teachers and students. Collaboration between technology industries and education is crucial for an effective learning process at the national level. What message do you want to give to ArdorComm Media Group? ArdorComm Media has been doing a wonderful job in the education sector. It’s an empowerment for all the leaders and trustees of educational institutions. Being a part of this organization and participating in programs like this empowers and enhances the quality of institutions. It’s a great opportunity for the Indian education system to scale up and make its mark at the international level.

“We have been doing quite a bit a lot on the employment of the latest technology, state-of-the-technology in the field of Education,” says Dr. Chadaram Sivaji, Vice Chancellor of Saveetha Institute of Medical & Technical Sciences in an interview with Pratik Ghosh, Content Writer, ArdorComm Media Group at the ‘New Normal – Education Leadership Summit & Awards 2023’ #ELSAChennai #ELSATamilNadu How are you feeling to witness the New Normal Education Leadership Summit and Awards in Chennai? I think this is a wonderful activity organized by ArdorComm Media. I think this is really a need of the hour. We could meet many important people here, and also this is a kind of dialogue among the disciplines and across the institutions. There are several Edu companies that have joined hands with ArdorComm, and also many industrial educational partners have come. I had the opportunity to visit some of the stalls of the Edu companies, and they are doing a really wonderful job. The main conference is also going on very well, and the eminent speakers we had completed the inaugural session as well as the Honourable Minister of Education Government of Tamil Nadu also came. The message is given by the eminent speakers as of now are really take-home messages and it will be very, very useful for the educational institutions as well as students and faculty and Edu companies also. How are you implementing technology in your institutions if you could highlight? Actually, we have been doing quite a bit a lot on the employment of the latest technology, state-of-the-technology in the field of Education. We have several of that we are not only limited to teaching the theoretical aspects or the text book knowledge but also imparting the practical knowledge also as many speakers have narrated. We have a wonderful unique teaching mechanism called the clap classroom plus elaborated together. So, in the same room, we have the theoretical knowledge sharing by the faculty, and at the same time, we expose the students to the practical exposures of the same thing what is being taught. That’s the uniqueness of our University. How does this kind of forum benefit the education sector at large? These forums, basically, we need to have collaborations across the disciplines and as well as across the institutions. Such are the platforms where we can meet and get to know each other, what other people are doing, so that is very important for the promotion of the educational sector particularly so the teaching methodology is research activities are not the same as one university from another university differs actually. One can learn, and one can share their experiences so that it’s a continuous learning process where education is such a wonderful field. It is actually transforming day by day, year by year, we are improving and India has a huge potential because we have a large number of universities and undergraduate education institutions also have great potential for sharing experiences in this particular field of Education sector. ArdorComm Media as a media start-up started in 2021 and we are close to completing two years of our existence? What message do you want to share for ArdorComm Media Group? I think what you people need to do is keep organizing this kind of activity. This is for sure you will be doing and also connect to the undergraduate colleges in the beginning, of course, you target higher educational institutions and universities also but where the most of the learnings you have to inculcate at the college level. Even high school level also that is where you have to target then if you go on targeting such kind of medium-level sector of educational institutions, then that will be fantastically useful for them in addition to the higher educational institutions. That is the message I can give. I think even now two three years old ArdorComm is also doing very well, and I saw a lot of ads on LinkedIn and other platforms. You people are doing nicely, and still, there is further scope for improvements. Top of Form